This interview features Richard Wolff and Michael Hudson discussing the legacy of the Biden administration for the next US president, with a focus on conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East. Wolf critiques both political parties for their lack of addressing key issues and suggests a decline in the American empire. Hodson highlights the narrative battles in conflicts and the potential split in capitalist interests regarding war with China. The conversation touches on differing views within the Republican Party on conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East, as well as the role of demonizing enemies in shaping perceptions of global issues.